14 thoughts on “Joan Crawford Movies vs Myrna Loy Movies”

1. All of the top 10 on the cuurent Oracle of Bacon top 1000 Centers of the Hollywood Universe connect to Joan in 2 steps. This is not every connection, just some notable in between people. Sometimes they may connect through 2 movies but I have only have listed one. I mean when I did Michael Caine to George Arliss did you recognize for him anyone outside of Maureen O’Sullivan.

   Eric Roberts to Diane Baker in The Cable Guy (1996) who was with Joan in The Best of Everything (1959) and Della (1964)
   Eric was in Star 80 (1983) with Cliff Robertson who was with Joan in Autumn Leaves (1955)
   Eric was in A Cry From Within (2014) with Robert Vaughn who was in The Caretakers (1963) with Joan
   Eric also does it through Robert Evans when he was an actor before he ran Paramount. Bob was also in The Best of Everything.
   Michael Madsen was in The Sender (1988) with Robert Vaughn
   Michael was in Six Days in Paradise (2010) with George Kennedy who was with Joan in Straight-Jacket (1964)
   Michael was in Blueberry (2004) with Ernest Borgnine who was in Johnny Guitar (1954) with Joan.
   Michael was in Corruption. Gov (2010) with Lee Majors who was in Straight-Jacket (1964)
   Danny Trejo was in TV: The Movie (2006) with Lee Majors
   Danny was in Chinaman’s Chance: America’s Other Slaves (2008) with Ernest Borgnine
   Danny was in Muppet’s Most Wanted (2004) with Tony Bennett who was in The Oscar (1966) with Joan.
   Danny was also in Six Days in Paradise (2010) with George Kennedy
   Samuel L. Jackson was in Ragtime (1981) with Bessie Love who was in The Hollywood Revue of 1929 with Joan.
   Robert De Niro was in The Last Tycoon (1976) with Dana Andrews who was with Joan in Daisy Kenyon (1947).and with John Carradine who is in Johnny Guitar (1954) with Joan.
   Robert De Niro was in Novocento (1976) with Sterling Hayden who was with Joan in Johnny Guitar (1954).
   Robert De Niro was in The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight (1971) with Lionel Stander who was in I Live My Life (1935) with Joan.
   Robert De Niro was in Analyze This (1999) With Tony Bennett.
   Willem Dafoe was in Cry Baby (1990) with Polly Bergen who was in The Caretakers (1963) with Joan.
   Willem was in The Hunger (1983) with Bessie Love.
   Willem was in Clear and Present Danger (1994) with Hope Lange who was in The Best of Everything (1959) also.
   Willem was in Spider-Man (2002) with Cliff Robertson who is Autumn Leaves.
   Malcolm McDowell was in The Passage (1979) with Patricia Neal who is with Joan in It’s a Great Feeling (1949)
   Malcolm is in The Player (1992) with Jill St. John who is in The Oscar (1966) with Joan.
   Donald Sutherland was in Promise Her Anything (1966) with Bessie Love and Lionel Stander.
   Donald Sutherland was in Kelly’s Heroes (1970) with Telly Savalas who was with Joan in The Karate Killers (1967).
   Donald is in The Dirty Dozen (1967) with good old Ernie Borgnine , Telly Savalas and George Kennedy
   Donald was in Dr. Terror’s House of Horrors with Michael Gough (Alfred in the Christian Bale Batman films) who was in Berserk (1967) with Joan.
   Donald was in Billion Dollar Brain (1967) with Ed Begley who was in The Oscar with Joan.
   Donald was in Six Degrees of Seperation (1993) with Kitty Carlisle who was in Hollywood Canteen (1944) with Joan.
   Michael Caine was in Too Late the Hero (1970) with Cliff Robertson
   Michael Caine was in A Hill in Korea (1956) with Stephen Boyd who is in The Best of Everything.
   Michael was in Pulp (1972) with Lionel Stander.
   Michael Caine is also in Billion Dollar Brain (1967 see Donald)
   Michael is in The Fourth Protocol (1987) with Michael Gough.
   Michael is in Danger Within (1959) with Michael Wilding who is in Torch Song (1953) with Joan.
   Michael is in Woman Times Seven (1967) with Rossano Brazzi who is The Story of Esther Costello (1957) with Joan.
   Michael was in Passport to Shame (1958) with Diana Dors who is with Joan in Berserk (1967)
   Michael was in The Battle of Britain (1969) with Curt Jurgens who is in The Karate Killers with Joan.
   Michael is in The Swarm (1978) with Henry Fonda who is also in Daisy Kenyon (1947).
   Michael was in Sweet Liberty (1986) with Lillian Gish who is in Ben-Hur (1925) with Joan.

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   1. Hey Dan thanks for all of these Bacon Oracle connections. They are always fun to look at. Seeing the connections for Eric Roberts help me understand how he has the Top Spot. Never been able to crasp that since he has not been making so many low budget movies.

      I especially liked the Caine connections…..since he is one of my all-time favorites. Thanks as always for posting this awesome information.

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      1. Here are the people in the top 10 on the list, all who also connect to Myrna in 2 steps. Again I’ve also only listed the more known people. Some connect through smaller stars and extras (Arthur Tovey was on one). Connections don’t seem as glamorous as Joan’s.

         Eric Roberts was in It’s My Party (1996) with Roddy McDowell who was in Midnight Lace (1960) with Myrna.
         Eric was in Contamination (2008) with Karen Black who is in Airport 1975 (1974) with Myrna.
         Eric was in The Shadow Men (1997) with Dean Stockwell who was in Song of the Thin Man (1947) with Myrna.
         Eric was in This is Our Time (2013) with Erik Estrada who’s also in Airport 1975.
         Michael Madsen was in Six Days in Paradise (2010) with George Kennedy who was in Airport 1975
         Michael was in The Killing Time (1987) with Beau Bridges who was with Myrna in The Red Pony (1949).
         Danny Trejo is in Anchorman: the Legend of Ron Burgundy (2004) with Jerry Stiller who is in Airport 1975 too.
         Samuel L. Jackson was in Loaded Weapon 1 (1993) with Eric Estrada
         Sammy was in Coming to America (1988) with Don Ameche who was in So Goes My Love (1948) with Myrna
         Sammy was in Ragtime (1981) with Pat O’Brien who was in Consolation Marriage (1931) with Myrna.
         Harvey Keitel was in Welcome to L.A. (1976) with Sally Kellerman who was in The April Fools (1969) with Myrna.
         Robert De Niro was in Casino (1995) with both Alan King who was in Just Tell Me What You Want (1980) with Myrna and Jayne Meadows who is in Song of the Thin Man (1947)
         Robert De Niro was in The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle (2000) with Carl Reiner who was in The End (1978) with Myrna
         Bob was in The Godfather Part 2 (1974) with acting coach Lee Strasburg who was with Myrna in Parnell (1937)
         Bob was in Born to Win (1971) with Karen Black
         Bob was in The Last Tycoon (1976) with Robert Mitchum who was in The Red Pony (1949)
         Willem Dafoe was in Globehunters (2000) with both Carl Reiner (see above) and Sid Caesar who is also in Airport 1975
         Willem was in To Live and Die in L.A. (1985) with Dean Stockwell
         Malcolm McDowell was in Delgo (2008) with Burt Reynolds who’s also in The End (1978)
         Malcolm is in The Player (1992) with Dean Stockwell , Sally Kellerman and Jack Lemmon who is in The April Fools (1969)
         Donald Sutherland was in MASH (1970) with Sally Kellerman
         Michael Caine was in Ashanti (1979) with Rex Harrison who was in Midnight Lace (1960)
         Mike is in Hannah and Her Sisters (1986) with Maureen O’Sullivan (the same links) who was in Skyline (1931) with Myrna and also Tony Roberts who’s in Just Tell Me What You Want.
         Mike is in Beyond the Posaeido Adventure (1979) with Sally Field who is also in The End.
         Mike is in Sweet Liberty (1986) with Lillian Gish who is Ben-Hur (1925) with Myrna. Same move was used to connect Joan Crawford.

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         1. Hey Dan….I agree this is not as impressive as the Joan list….though it is still interesting. Danny Trejo only one step away from Loy…did not see that coming. I did not even know Ben’s dad was in Airport 75.

            I had a hard time finding Beau Bridges in The Red Pony….he was always in a group of kids …..not thinking he even has a single line in the movie. I think that Micheal Caine connection to Lillian Gish in Sweet Liberty brings Caine to 1000s of actors and actresses that have been gone for a very long time.

            As always…thanks for sharing this information.

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2. I think Loy was great at sophisticated comedy and came across as a great leading lady. But I suppose Crawford is more interesting, her life, her movies, everything about her was over the top. And that’s what made her a fascinating star.

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   1. Hey Chris….I think you are correct….even the biggest Joan fans would be hard pressed to give Crawford the edge over Loy when it came to comedy. I think it is safe to say one was a star and one was an actress. The fact that Crawford made the AFI Top 10 of Legend Actresses….and that Loy did not make the Top 25 tells you which was the star and which was the actress.

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      1. Cogerson

         “one was a star and one an actress”

         I think there is a third description which is being missed. Crawford was also an actress. Loy was also a star (how else did she win a poll as the “Queen of Hollywood” and finish third behind only Davis and Rogers in a 1941 Gallup Poll of the public’s favorite actresses?)

         The third description is being a celebrity. I have to use the word celebrity as I can’t think of any other or more exact term. What I mean by “celebrity” is a person whose personal life is known and fascinating to the public. Crawford was an actress, a star, and a celebrity. Loy was an actress and star, but not a celebrity. (I have heard almost nothing over the years about her personal life). I suppose another issue is the balance between these three descriptions. Jayne Mansfield was second-tier as an actress and movie star, but she was those. She was a first-tier celebrity though. Her personal life (and tragic death) are better remembered than her movies. The late Zsa Zsa Gabor was almost totally a celebrity.
         Someone like Deborah Kerr was not a celebrity at all but was certainly an actress and star.

         Curiously, who is better remembered by the general public–Jayne Mansfield or Deborah Kerr? Among movie buffs–Kerr. Among celebrity hounds–Mansfield.

         And there probably are many more celebrity hounds than movie buffs. My take is that the “celebrities” are better remembered than the actors or the stars. Human nature, I guess.

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         1. Hey John….great way to look at it….and I agree with your points. I think Jolie falls into that currently…..as she is an actress (Oscar winner), a star (her movies get lots of press) and a celebrity (just read the internet for 10 minutes and you will find a Jolie story)…Not sure how else would currently fall into all three groups…seems Streep falls short on the celebrity status (though her recent Trump situation gets her close)…..I think Sandra Bullock is close to Jolie…..but her personal life/celebrity side has really calmed these last 7 years.

            Even better point about Kerr and Mansfield…I think Mansfield….as the poor man’s Monroe is remembered much more than the distinguished Kerr…..which is sad in many many ways. Human nature indeed. 🙂

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3. I am impressed that Loy’s numbers look so good. I have heard of her but not as much as I have heard of Crawford.

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   1. Hey Lamia…..well Crawford was a star…while Loy was a popular actress…..seems time does not remember popular actresses as well as they do stars. I think it current times…Angelina Jolie falls into the star category….while Bullock is the popular actress….real curious who will be remembered more in the future…Bullock or Jolie. Thanks for the visit and the comment

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4. My favorite is Myrna Loy. She was a very pretty and very charming woman. I am a fan of the Thin man serie. But Joan Crawford was maybe a better actress.

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   1. Hey Laurent…..good to know that Myrna Loy is one of your favorites. Good point about Loy and Crawford……no matter what the stats say…..Joan Crawford is the actress people remember….while Loy is remembered by film buffs….like us. Thanks for the visit.

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5. Has Bob seen this? His beloved Joan beaten by ‘box office queen’ Myrna Loy on every chart. Oh dear he won’t be pleased. 😉

   Myrna only gets beaten at Oscar, Joan has won Best Actress and Myrna hasn’t, but wait… she did get an honorary Oscar “In recognition of her extraordinary qualities both on screen and off, with appreciation for a lifetime’s worth of indelible performances” and Joan didn’t.

   Joan has the acting chops but I’d say Myrna was the prettiest. Yes I have a soft spot for Myrna, maybe because Bob has been a bit too hard on her these past few weeks.

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   1. Hey Steve…..I would assume Bob has seen this page…..but it might take him a little while to figure out a way to spin these stats into a Crawford win…..which is probably why he has not commented on the page yet.

      I agree besides in the Oscar category…..The Greatest Box Office Actress of All-Time has Joan beat in all the other categories. Plus Loy has managed to stay out of the bottom of the rankings. As I look at the critic/audience ratings…..that is a lot of really low rated movies for Joan…..granted many were silent movies….but they seem really really low….I might have to check that out….as it seems very strange.

      I think Bob has been having fun at Loy’s expense…..but in the end….Crawford is a legend…while Loy was a good actress….but far from legend status.

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