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1 STEVE Rhonda Fleming was primarily a B movie actress who would often be the love interest of the B movie males in quickly and cheaply made flicks but occasionally she would get to play opposite big stars in higher prestige productions – for example Lancaster and Douglas in Gunfight at the OK Corral, Hope in The Great Lover, Peck and Bergman in Spellbound and Jean Simmons in Home before Dark. In her entire career Rhonda was actually top billed in only 3 films of which I am aware and you have included all 3
2 Unlike WH I’ll not pretend to be unbiased when I give this video a 9.5/10 for one of the most striking and sizzling range of posters I’ve ever seen assembled in the one place. At random I’ll mention those for Little Egypt, Rhonda as Cleo in Serpent of the Nile, Queen of Babylon, the magnificent Slightly Scarlet, Rhonda being manfully carried by OUR Chuck in Pony Express, Inferno with Rhonda in one of her almost signature roles as the sexy adulterous wife of Robert Ryan, and Bullwhip a sort of B movie Western reworking of the Taming of the Shrew with Guy Madison taming shrew Fleming. I was also delighted to see Fritz Lang’s While the City Sleeps included as it was one of my Fleming favourites with Rhonda again cheating on her husband (Vincent Price)
3 And your best stills were not too far behind the posters – Glenn Ford and Rhonda in Redhead and the Cowboy, Bergman and Rhonda in Spellbound, the closing lovely solo of Rhonda, and the one from Gunfight at the OK Corral which looks as if it has been lifted straight from an old cinema showcase of the 1950s – splendid!
3 In contrast to some of her screen roles Rhonda seemed to be very interested in religion because she campaigned obsessively to have the practice of school prayer widely observed and in that mission she was able to enlist the moral and vocal support of influential stars like Wayne, Reagan, Pickford, Roy Rogers and Ginger Rogers who in the movie colony of those days were seen as epitomising “American values”.
Thanks Bob, glad you liked the video, appreciate the review and rating.
Rhonda Fleming was another Hollywood ‘Queen of Technicolor’. Maureen O’Hara was probably the most famous of these Technicolor Queens, in fact when she died the headline at Hollywood Reporter was “Maureen O’Hara, ‘The Queen of Technicolor,’ Dies at 95”. I think it’s safe to say the studios wanted to show off these striking redheads in all their technicolor glory.
The opening quote was ironic considering how many color movies Fleming appeared in over the years but looking at the posters I count about 12 B/W films, nearly half.
Her role in Spellbound was small but it was her first substantial role and I think the first where she was given a name, she played a very disturbed nymphomaniac at Ingrid Bergman’s mental hospital.
There are some interesting films on this chart I wouldn’t mind watching especially in full high definition. I have to keep my on the TV listings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1aOHYpIjXY
There’s a nice article on the ‘Ten Most Beautiful Redheads from the Golden Era of Films’ at this link – I’ve done videos on 5 of them. I should consider some of the others too.
https://reelrundown.com/celebrities/Ten-Most-Beautiful-Redheads-in-Golden-Era-of-Films
Hey Steve. Nice link. I have pages on 6 of them. Ex-wife number two was a redhead…so you I have a soft spot for redheads….lol.
I am sure I will do a page on the other 4 in the future. I still need to check out your Fleming video. 🙂
STEVE:
1 It seems that just like virtually every other major actress is credited with “having saved her studio from bankruptcy” almost every actress with red hair is said to have been called “The Queen of Technicolor”. Wikipedia too certainly claims that for Rhonda. AFTERTHOUGHT As nobody ever praised Loy for saving MGM from bankruptcy can any reputable film buff truly call her “The most successful box office actress of all time”?
2 About an hour ago I watched a 1973 episode of Raymond Burr’s TV crime show Ironside and in a bit part was one of Rhonda’s great contemporaries Dorothy Malone who was the love interest in a number of B movies in her day. Dorothy was 48 in that episode and she still lives aged 92 and Rhonda is 93.
3 Simply by way of contrast with what they once were Time seems to extract from women with exceptional beauty an extra high price as the years roll on. Dorothy’s voice was more recognisable than her face in the Ironside episode and I was reminded of what Marilyn is reported to have sadly and morbidly said to the then exceptionally handsome Curtis in a conversation during the making of Some Like it Hot “Someday our looks will be gone.”
4 Dorothy’s final movie was in 1992 when she had a supporting role and was obscurely billed in Basic Instinct and Rhonda’s penultimate movie was The Nude Bomb in 1980 after which 10 years later her final screen appearance was in a short 24 minute film with Mitchum in 1990. I have found my mind paraphrasing lines from The Picture of Dorian Gray by making me think “Oh if only Steve’s posters had gotten old and Rhonda and Dorothy had remained as they were in the 1950s”!
Bob, I remember back a few years when during the Academy Awards they would bring on stage a line of still (just about) living movie legends just standing there in a row smiling and the audience would deservedly give them a standing ovation. It was particularly sad seeing the once beautiful and sexy female stars looking so old, wrinkly and frail. I wish they weren’t brought on stage and paraded like that. Olivia de Havilland is nearly 101 years old, I don’t want to see what she looks like now, I want to remember her as Maid Marian in Robin Hood.
“Gene Allen, president of the Academy, said that although Myrna Loy was never nominated for an Oscar award, her career was ‘absolutely magnificent — she IS the best.'”
http://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/01/15/Myrna-Loy-Hollywoods-film-queen-of-the-1930s-and/7766474613200/
🙂
STEVE
SUBJECT: HE’s A FEATHER FOR EVERY WIND THAT BLOWS
1 You as a Brit should be familiar with Bruce Forsythe who for years hosted the hit TV show (still running) Strictly Come Dancing in which celebrities partner professional dancers in a two month dancing competition. Bruce Forsythe would make a point of chatting to each of the celebrities in turn over the course of the show and he would say every time “You’re my favourite celebrity.”
2 I remember years ago Jimmy Connors had just won the Wimbledon Tennis Tournament and when he was interviewed by the BBC he said “I’m delighted because Wimbledon of all the big ones is my favourite tennis tournament.” A few months later he was interviewed on US television just before the start of the US Open major tennis tournament and he said “I’d really like to win this one again because it’s the one I love the most.”
Truly there IS nothing new under the sun.
POSTSCRIPT
I should have added that Connors was of course a great champion and therein lies the difference for in tennis as in other sports you actually have to be a winner before they regard you as “the best”. As somebody once said not winning is of course losing and they don’t make you an honorary Wimbledon Champion or honorary World Cup winner.
Now will people stop reminding me of how big a failure THAT woman was. It’s so depressing. She’s dead! So let her rest in peace.
Bob, you started this business with Myrna Loy a year ago when Bruce innocently mentioned she was Hollywood’s box office queen. And you attacked her again in your two previous posts. Believe it or not some of us genuinely like Myrna and her films too. She’s a warm, attarctive and likeable actress, unlike certain classic Hollywood divas… you know their names. 🙂
Hi Steve
Just watched your Rhonda Fleming video. Interesting to me that despite her knock on b/w films, her top three were early b/w films. She seems another Arlene Dahl to me. A competent actress with classic beauty, but lacking individuality. What I mean is that if one put her into one of those MGM parades of beauties, she would fit right in but one wouldn’t particularly notice her as she lacked that certain something which makes her stand out, which might even be a “flaw” such as Gene Tierney’s overbite.
No quibble with your ratings. I agree with your order for her top films. As for being a queen of color–yes. She only appeared in 2 color movies in the 1940’s, but exploded for 22 in the 1950’s, the most I have come in contact for any female star in that decade, for a total of 24 through 1959, just behind Yvonne DeCarlo (27) and Maureen O’Hara (25). She reached such a high total as she was really grinding them out. She appeared in an A here or there, but was mainly in B’s with their short shooting schedules.
Not a particularly good movie, but interesting is Bullwhip. Rhonda plays the daughter of a white trader and a Cheyenne princess. In order for her to inherit her father’s business, his will stipulates that she must marry within a limited time. She conspires with a crooked judge to frame an innocent Guy Madison for murder and sentence him to hang. His only way out of the execution is to blindly marry her (he doesn’t even know her name). The crooked judge is then going to have Guy assassinated to cover up the scheme, although this part is unknown to Rhonda. Guy escapes w/o being killed, finds out who Rhonda is, and arrives to take command of her business, as was his right back then as her hubby. Oh boy. Is Rhonda furious. Things get even worse when Guy crawls into bed with her, but just rolls over and goes to sleep, after cheekily telling her she really doesn’t know what she is missing. Now Rhonda is even more furious. This all works out. This movie was written and produced by women, and I noticed the difference from Frontier Gal is that Guy never forces himself on her. He just waits for Nature to take its course. For all its flaws, I thought this movie a lot of fun.
Hi Bob, thanks again for the review, trivia and synopsis, always appreciated.
Bullwhip sounds sort of interesting, I’ve checked my database and I haven’t got a copy. Darn. But youtube has a low-res copy available. Makes you wonder how many full-length movies are residing at youtube, not all of them in the public domain and some of them with their titles disguised for copyright reasons.
Sorry that should be to John, not Bob in my previous post.
Hey Steve….good to know you were not back in London picking up some more items from your big move. Tragic news today. I did not know things were so dangerous when we sent Scotty to London for training. Which he is fine as well. Tragic, sad news. Rest in peace to those that passed today.
Hi Bruce, seems I moved out of London just in time and I’ve crossed that bridge many times! Terror strikes London and Europe again. When will it end? I don’t know.
Those innocents didn’t deserve to be maimed and killed. Pointless evil. May the dead rest in peace.
Good to know your son is okay, he might have second thoughts about travelling to the UK again, and I don’t blame him. It’s an increasingly dangerous world we’re living in.
Hey Steve, sadly you are so right about the world we live in. Scotty has about 8 weeks left in London. I sadly have to admit that over the last couple of months the thought had crossed my mind that he was not in the safest city with terror attacks being what I was thinking about.
Stay safe….wishing a speedy recovery for those hurt and RIP to those that lost their lives.
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1 STEVE I always regarded Yvonne as a prominent B list star because the kind of strong leading actress roles that went to the likes of Liz Taylor, Susan Hayward and Audrey Hepburn in high prestige productions were probably beyond her reach; if there was a major star like Gable, Heston, Lancaster or Joel McCrea in the movie Yvonne was always going to be 2nd fiddle or less; and she made a string of B movies such as The Desert Hawk, Buccaneer’s Girl and Passion. De Carlo like many of her contemporaries ended up supporting other ‘has-beens’ in A C Lyles ‘graveyard ‘ movies which in her case were Hostile Guns, Law of the Lawless and Arizona Bushwhackers. The last of these Cagney narrated as a favour to his great pal Lyles.
2 However one of the pluses of B movies is that they usually provide striking posters and the ones in this video were no exception and indeed you covered an extensive range of Yvonne’s colourful B movies . Choosing the best posters was hard but I’ll plump for Desert Hawk*** Shotgun, Flame of the Islands, San Francisco Story, Criss Cross and oh yes the ones of some guy dressed up as Moses.
3 There was a sizzling opening coloured still of Yvonne and a closing black and white one of her that also sizzled. In between those two the most pleasing were the lovey dovey shot of De Carlo and Gable, the take of Guinness and Yvonne from The Captain’ Paradise and that of her with Lancaster in Criss Cross [My but that guy Burt was ALWAYS highly photogenic.]
4 I am not naive enough to overlook the possibility that this video was compiled just to provide another excuse for putting Chuck at the top of the ratings again but I don’t care as DeCarlo’s beauty and the quality of the posters and stills provided a 9.3/10 treat for the eyes. Super fun throughout the display! and certainly if as you told me in a previous post “sex sells” your bank manager should be smiling at you after this video does the rounds
***Richard Greene who was The Desert Hawk in the movie did of course become famous over here for playing Robin Hood in the hit Brit TV series in the late 1950s
Hi Bob, thanks as always for the review, rating, observation and info!
I had fun compiling these videos because many of these films were new to me, I probably watched a few when I was young and didn’t recall the title, plus I knew it would serve up an array of colorful posters.
De Carlo was dubbed the ‘Queen of Technicolor’ for a few years which might interest our Technicolor aficionado John if he’s reading. And I think most of the films I’ve picked here are in color.
I left out her supporting role in McLintock because that film had already been covered in the John Wayne and Maureen O’Hara videos. I think there are only 2 films in the 30 that De Carlo wasn’t the leading lady – The Power (a fascinating sf-horror from 1968 with similar themes to Carrie, The Fury and especially David Cronenberg’s Scanners) and of course The Ten Commandments (the second De Mille no.1 in a row on my videos, both starring Charlton ‘The Omega Man’ Heston.) 🙂
Maybe Bruce can do a page on Lily Munster one of these days, if stats are available for these movies.
Another ‘Queen of Technicolor’ coming up on video monday… and a famous redhead too… who could it be? [bites fist]
A link to my Yvonne De Carlo video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpqJLwNjqo4
Steve
Just got to your Yvonne DeCarlo video. A lot of fun to watch. While she was a true queen of Technicolor, it is interesting that several of her relatively rare b/w films are clustered toward the top of your list. She replaced Maria Montez in exotic roles at Universal in the late forties, but also worked in film noirs and westerns. No dispute from me on your rankings. The Ten Commandments is her obvious #1 film. One movie that is missing (perhaps understandably) is Frontier Gal which she made with Rod Cameron in 1945. It was a solid box office hit I think, but almost defines politically incorrect today. I have a copy but make certain I never show it to my wife. Yvonne forces Rod into a wedding ceremony at the point of a gun, but then Rod insists on his “spousal privilege” while Yvonne never seems willing. A Rhonda Fleming film, Bullwhip, has a similar premise but manages to be less politically incorrect.
On her career, her hubby was a stuntman who lost a leg during the train wreck sequence in How the West was Won. Hollywood rallied around Yvonne and she got plenty of work to pay the bills. Bob Hope, John Wayne, and A C Lyles were among those who came to her aid.
Her career took a rather weird turn, which you don’t cover, in later decades. She is probably best know as Lily Munster in the US. So she was often cast in the 1970’s & 1980’s in grade Z horror flicks until well into her senior citizen years.
Anyway, excellent video.
On Yvonne as a Technicolor queen. Yes. I did the research and she bumps Maureen O’Hara as the top color actress of the classic era. She starred in 8 color movies in the 1940’s, and 19 in the 1950’s. Her total of 27 is second only to Randolph Scott among stars I have studied, and edges out Maureen’s 25. Yvonne also appeared in 5 Technicolor films in bit or extra roles before she became a star. I don’t count those. It becomes in adding up color appearances that B stars dominate because they simply made more movies per year than A movie stars. And it is odd that that lower budget films seem to have a higher percentage of color filming. My guess on the reason is that the top stars were expected to carry the movie on their names and so color was not considered likely to add that much to the box office. But movies w/o top stars needed the lift color could give them.
Hi John, thanks for checking out my Lily Munster video and the added info, much appreciated.
Good point on the cheap b movies having a higher percentage of color movies in classic Hollywood than the more prestige pictures. One of the greatest westerns ever – High Noon was filmed in B/W at a time when color b-westerns and swashbucklers were being released at a weekly rate. But I’d say that was a stylistic choice by the director.
I’ve always wondered if audiences of the 1950s were disappointed when they sat in the cinema and the big movie turned out to be in monochrome, especially after being dazzled by Technicolor over the years.
Steve
“I’ve always wondered if audiences of the 1950s were disappointed when they sat in the cinema and the big movie turned out to be in monochrome.”
The answer is yes, in some cases. I was in movie theatres in which there were audible groans when the b/w came on. Don’t overlook that re-releases were often b/w copies but the posters implied the original color. I remember watching The Adventures of Robin Hood in b/w back in the 1950’s. I still thought it good, though. It was only decades later that I found out what it looked like in glorious Technicolor.
Hey John….great story on how you did not realize that Robin Hood was not in black and white. I imagine it was like watching an entire new movie when you finally saw it in color….thanks for sharing these story.
Hey Bob….as always your movie knowledge is always impressive. Great review and info share. You are the man.
hi Steve
Viewed your Fay Wray video. Excellent job. Along with probably everyone else, I am shocked, shocked, at the movie which came out #1. lol. I have no nitpicks with your ratings. The top five seems right on.
The interesting question might be your omissions. I disagree a bit with you and Bob about not including ANY of her fifties featured roles. She did have this second career and some of these movies–Tammy and the Bachelor, for example–I am certain are more widely viewed today than her late thirties B’s which seem to be overrepresented. In movies like Tammy she is of course not a star but does have a significant featured role with her name appearing on the posters. I would have considered putting in a couple of those.
A surprise for me was the absence of The Finger Points, a Warner gangster flick of 1931 where Fay is the leading lady to Richard Barthelmess, a corrupt reporter who ends up accidentally double-crossing Capone himself (referred to as the big guy with the heavyset actor only filmed from the back) and getting rubbed out by Capone’s hitman Clark Gable. The posters for this would have been interesting, I think, especially the re-release posters.
The silent films were necessary additions. She was a rising silent star. Her actual leading lady debuts were in Universal westerns with first Hoot Gibson and then Jack Hoxie, in 1926. The Gibson movie was The Man in the Saddle, now a lost film. (Carl Laemmle melted down his programmer silents for the silver in the film stock so most are lost) This one would be interesting to see for Fay’s starring debut, and also for Boris Karloff as one of the bad guys. The poster on the internet is so primitive it might have been an interesting addition.
As for her career, what really stands out is her lack of prime billing considering that she is probably much better remembered than many of the stars billed above her. Her lasting fame shows the importance of getting into that one top-tier classic. But as Bob touched on, her success as a scream queen probably negatively affected her in mainstream roles. Horror fans muse on how Lugosi and Karloff were passed over for mainstream roles they might have been suited for (Billy Bones & Uriah Heep for Karloff. The villains of Lives of the Bengal Lancers & The Charge of the Light Brigade, as well as Rasputin, for Lugosi). On Fay, had she never made King Kong, she would still have been the top thirties scream queen as your posters and film rankings illustrate.
Anyway, thanks for the excellent video and fun posters.
Cogerson, Steve, and Bob
Bob will probably hate me for this (lol–I’m teasing), but comparing the votes of the top five movies over at IMDB for lowly billed Fay Wray and AIP “legend” Mae West is interesting and I think instructive:
Fay Wray
King Kong—–66,388
The Most Dangerous Game—–7,435
Mystery of the Wax Museum—–3,481
Doctor X—–1,967
Tammy and the Bachelor—–1,720
Mae West
She Done Him Wrong—–4,384
I’m No Angel—–2,349
Myra Breckinridge—–2,343
My Little Chickadee—–2,082
Sextette—–990
In fairness to Mae, she was definitely the big star of the two in the 1930’s. But now her movie career seems to have largely faded from the popular mainstream, although she endures as a celebrity name. Fay is much better remembered for her movies and as a scream queen.
Interesting indeed JOHN and the table is appreciated as it make your point very clear BOB
Hey John…I like the stats….and I agree with your assessment of West and Wray. Kong easily tops the combined total vote total for the entire group you provided. Thanks for sharing this informstion
Hi John, thanks for commenting on my Wray Fay video, much appreciated.
This was more a selection of films than a definitive countdown to her greatest films and I mention that on the video page, or I think I did. So there will be some omissions. You’ll have to wait till our commandante gets round to doing a stats page on lovely Fay for a more complete picture of her greatest hits, though even Bruce leaves a few out sometimes especially if a filmography goes on forever.
I’ve mentioned this before but I have allowed in some low rated movies into my video charts simply because the movie poster was too good to waste, I wanted people to see it. In other words the poster artwork was better than the movie itself IMO. 😉
Thanks for the added info too.
Fay vs Mae eh? Interesting. Mae maybe an AFI legend but Faye was the girl in Kong’s hairy paw and as Stan Lee would say, ’nuff said. 🙂
Hey Steve….interesting return comment to John. At the rate we are producing pages I imagine we will have a Fay Wray page.
When we first went down this path…..we did not see us having so many pages written. I think Fay would fit in nicely with all of these other UMR stars.
Hey John….if Fay Wray gets an UMR page…..I will be sure to include her 2nd career. Good thoughts and feedback. Greatly appreciated.
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STEVE
1 Wikipedia says that away from Kong Fay built herself a career as a horror queen and as you say was named the Scream Queen. However THOSE movies by and large tended to be B cheaply made flicks and of course even monsters who were usually pretty illogical could not be expected to create mayhem over somebody who was not ‘young and beautiful’ and we may not have had Norman Bates targeting showers had the lovely Janet at that point been a victim of the “curse of 39″ so a career in monster movies must have been pretty limiting for all but the doyens of the genre such Karloff, Bala and Price.
2 That said Fays career whatever one thinks of it spanned a staggering 57 years.By the way another thing I liked about your video is that it presented a broad mix of Fay’s movies. You were right to leave out her inconsequential roles in the likes of Hell on Frisco Bay. We”ll leave it to the Work Horse to include those irrelevancies to Fay’s career if he profiles her.
3 Wray’s King Kong is credited with saving RKO from bankruptcy but Old Hollywood seems to have abounded with such rescues with Durbin allegedly having prevented Universal’s collapse. Mae West’s two Archie Leach films having we are told saved Paramount and Godpop 1972 supposedly turning Paramount’s shares into a goldmine. I would like to believe the latter story and I am sure Bruce wants to think that Grant/West saved the world but I wonder how much of it all is hyperbole.
4 Our Leader has given us a sci-fi page and although it overlapped unavoidably at times with the horror genre the main monsters were excluded if I recall correctly. But did he promise us a monster page? – I can’t see one in his index.
Hey Bob….good information on your comment. As for a horror page….every year around Halloween I think about doing a horror page and every year I fail to get it done…well…here is hoping 2017 is the year it finally gets done.
1 STEVE Another video that is of educational as well as entertainment value for me so good on you! When I started watching movies Fay was years past the time when W o C’s “curse of 39” claims the careers of actresses, she had been absent from the screen for 11 years and the only one of her movies that was rerun in cinemas and TV here was of course Kong and naturally all eyes were on the King [not Gable or Elvis!] in that one. She had 1950s small supporting roles in Ladd’s Hell on Frisco Bay and Crawford’s Queen Bee but in the former Laddie got my attention and in the latter even the Duke or Mr Mumbles might have struggled to attract my interest when Joan was on-screen
2 Anyway I knew that with the Big Guy at the historical centre of Fay’s career it was game on for some exciting visuals and I was not disappointed with either the still or posters selected for Kong However also of par excellence for the less famous movies I thought were the posters for Sea God [the monsters were a randy lot in those days!] Unholy Garden, Dirigible and Black Moon. Although not really a Fay Wray movie The Bowery should also be mentioned for when again would you see the names of Beery and Raft on one line in a poster? [We still await the Work Horse’s promised Raft page.]
3 Good stills of Fay with Lionel Atwill in Dr X, a glowering Wallace Beery in Viva Villa! McCrea and Fay in The Most Dangerous Game*** and the closing solo which showed how beautiful Fay was in her heyday – Kong had certainly good taste! I thought that the otherwise beautiful coloured one of Fay with Cooper was slightly spoilt by Cary’s rather wooden pose Overall 9.3/10 as although I was unfamiliar with most movies but Kong the posters and stills won me over. Also I liked the opening quote and I’m sure nobody had THAT conversation with Fay when she appeared in Hell on Frisco Bay with Ladd!
***Remade as Run for the Sun in 1956 with Widmark. Richard claimed that it was his worst movie and says he used to threaten to make his kids watch it if they misbehaved!
STEVE Apologies and CORRECTION In para 3 of my previous post Cary should of course read Gary. Grant could never have been described as wooden so apologies also to the Work Horse for the original mis-spelling though it is a common mistake that can be made by others just as in the early days Chuck was often billed on the posters as Charles Heston.
Hi Bob, thanks for the review, rating and info on my Fay Wray video.
Fay was the original ‘scream queen’, no need to dub in someone else’s screams like they would usually do, she can do it all herself. But the non-stop screaming in King Kong does get tiresome after a while and even Fay felt that she overdid it a bit – “When I first saw the picture, I thought the screams were overdone. But they were an important part of the picture and I was delighted with how it all looked. My scenes with Kong were exactly the way I imagined them.”
I could have made it a top 30 and included some more of her ‘way down in the credits’ supporting roles in 50’s movies like Hell on Frisco Bay, Queen Bee and The Cobweb but she wasn’t even mentioned on the posters so I thought what was the point? And decided to concentrate mostly on her lead actress roles.
I saw Kong: Skull Island last night, it was an entertaining monster movie no pretentions for being anything else. There were homages to the classic 1933 Kong, the ape walked upright like the original, Peter Jackson’s Kong was basically an oversized silverback gorilla about 50ft tall, this new Kong is twice as tall. Refreshingly there were no skyscrapers to climb in this one.
Hey Steve….enjoyed reading your comment. Good to know they have theaters in your new area and glad you like Kong: Skull Island.
I agree Fay Wray was the first Scream Queen……and what a scream it was. Good video and comment.
Hey Bob….good comments on Wray, King Kong and Steve’s video. Maybe one day I will get a Fay Wray page done in the near future.