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1. Hi Bob, I’ve just noticed this post of yours (1st April AFI comment a few posts down) sorry about that, blame the effin’ spammers for the delay.

   There are only a few actors I really idolised and even that is an exaggeration since to idolise an actor you’ll try and watch all their films, and I’ve never been a completist in that regard. As much as I like Chuck Heston there are plenty of films of his I missed and probably still won’t bother to watch if they come on TV. But he was a hero of mine back in the 70s, mostly from his epic historical movies and sci-fi classics like Planet of the Apes, Soylent Green and The Omega Man.

   It is disappointing not to see Heston’s name on the AFI chart, but there are other favorites of mine on there like The Marx Bros, Cary Grant, Jimmy Stewart and of course John Wayne, the most popular actor of them all.

   I would have preferred to see either Heston, Glenn Ford, Errol Flynn or Richard Widmark on there instead of Sidney Poitier and James Dean but thats the way it is.

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   1. Hi mo. Agree with your final para about my Glenn and Richard and I bet Flora does too. I also think that whilst Wells was a big figure in the general context. I never regard him as legendary movie star and indeed in he was. More often than no in supporting roles. In3rd man for example the star was his protege joe Cotten or cotton I can’t remember which best wishes ram 2 excuse typing because as said this tablet is no my scene

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      1. I would have loved Glenn Ford and Richard Widmark to have made the AFI list. But I am not sure whom I would remove instead. Certainly I agree with most of the list. But some people like James Dean I would have been happy to see someone else.

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         1. James Dean is on the AFI list more because of the icon he became after his death than his brief movie career, while Orson Wells’ legendary status is more related to his work as a director than as an actor (though he did star in several classics). In terms of career achievement as an actor, I would remove Dean, Wells and maybe Edward G. Robinson (great actor but not a superstar) from the top 25. However, as much as I like Glenn Ford and Richard Widmark, I think that there others who would be stronger candidates for these 3 openings, such as Richard Burton (he would just make the cut having made his debut in 1949), Montgomery Clift, Douglas Fairbanks, William Powell, Tyrone Powers, and yes, Charlton Heston. Just to give my two-cents 🙂

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            1. Hey PhilHOF17……good logic in your thinking. Feeling those last three spots was probably very difficult for them as well. All the actors you list have merit….but removing EGR, Dean and Welles gets rid of some of the legends in movie history….tough calls indeed. It does make for good water cooler conversation.

            2. Hey Bruce, of course, it’s not easy for me just to remove EGR, Dean and Wells, but hey when you make an omelet, some eggs have to give 🙂 As an alternative to removing them, I also have the PFI top 50 (Phil Film Institute), but that’s maybe for later. Good night!

            3. You are right….sometimes you gotta break the eggs…lol. Look forward to the PFI Top 50…..we have a UMR Top 100….not many changes on the AFI actor side….but in my AFI actress side….I shifted over a few actresses. I did two Top 50….one for the classic age and one for the modern age. Good feedback as always.

            4. Hi Phil

               As always from you some knowledgeable and interesting observations.

               I personally think that Glenn ford and Richard widmarks contributions are underrated as many people don’t realise maybe how important they were to the Hollywood lproduction lines of their times in churning out a fine quantity of stand alone features. Hestons omission has always been a mystrey me and I have a post ready to go to Steve explaining that Tyrone power was on AFI s iniatial TRIAL LIST but was excluded from the final list.

               Its probably the case that a list of25was insufficient to include everyone who should be honoured and the only ones whose inclusion I would not
               favour among those mentioned by you are Fairbanks jr athough the senior maybe, Powell and Clift as I don’t think they were anywhere near the naztional institutions that Crosby and hope were for example.

               However whilst it would be great if Bruce would agree with me more often if everyone did that this not compleztely be the exciting fun site it is. Anyway great spare info with you again.

            5. Phil please forgive my typing as I do no have my usual computer. My last para of my previous post was a bit of a mess and meant to say the site would not be as fun and exciting as it is if everyone agreed with me and great sparring with you again.

            6. Hey Bob….good thoughts on Phil’s thoughts…sorry your computer is down….it makes life very very frustrating. If I were to redo my top 100 UMR stars….I think Heston would make me list…not sure who would fall off….but Heston’s exclusion is indeed a mystery. Maybe the fact that he only had one Oscar nomination is being held against him…..one nomination but he won it for playing Ben-Hur….I mean come on…lol.

            7. Hi Bob,
               Thanks for your thoughts on my comment regarding actors who should and should not have made the AFI list. I was hoping for some feedback as it’s always helpful and interesting to listen to educated opinions on such topics.

               I was also going to mention Bing Crosby, Errol Flynn and Frank Sinatra as strong contenders, but wanted to limit myself to a handful of names. In terms of the Fairbanks, I did mean the senior one.

               Perhaps I overestimate the success and impact of Montgomery Clift and William Powell. However, this discussion also demonstrates how challenging it is to get people to agree on the top 25 of any list. In that respect, while the AFI list has been widely criticized, I personally think they did good job and by and large got it right, with the exception of a few cases (as per my previous comments, and additionally, the fact that John Wayne should have been in the top 5) .

               One of the challenges is that in addition to subjective judgment, people often use different criteria to support their claims. In my view, there are at least 4 major criteria that need to be considered when determining the greatness or relative importance to cinema of movie stars: popularity of the star concerned (in their heyday and over the long-term); box office success of his/her films; number of “Classic” films (usually critically acclaimed films that become more successful and recognized over time); and number of outstanding and memorable performances.

               No doubt, Bing Crosby and Bob Hope do much better than Clift and Powell on the first two of these criteria, but I’m quite sure they are behind them in terms of the last two criteria, which ultimately may be more significant when assessing the long-term impact of these figures in the movies. Still, I would grant you that Bing’s overall significance to cinema is probably at least equivalent to those of Clift and Powell, but I have my doubts about Hope (though he was of course a legend in his own right not just because of his films but as an all-around comedian). I may be wrong in the way I weigh out these factors and not having been around when all of these actors were in their heydays probably doesn’t help, but this essentially how I conceive these things.

            8. 1 HI PHIL I found your most recent post to be a thought- provoking analysis of the Top 25 Legends enigma and we should all be pleased that you’ve shared it with us.

               2 Your 4 criteria are sensible and certainly if you can use them to defend any selections that you make nobody can insist that your conclusions are wrong given that the matter can never be an exact science. Bruce is very good at defending his choices [except in one instance- I NEVER give a 100% marking!] as he has developed a realistic and consistent set of ground rules for making distinctions.

               3 As your post implies there are no doubt other criteria that could be advanced as equally valid but they would probably all have to include to a greater or lesser extent some elements of the criteria you advocate.

               4 A big thing that many historians and other experts go on about in trying to establish the All Time Greats across the board is INFLUENCE. I’ve mentioned before the Time Magazine’s List of its perceived 100 Greatest People of the 20th Century which includes sportsmen, politicians, geniuses, academics and entertainers.

               5 It also includes “ordinary” people like black woman Rosa Parks who had a great influence on Civil Lights because of the stand she took over racial segregation on buses.

               6 Whilst a few “specialist” entertainers like Bruce Lee are included in the 100 only 4 mainstream movie stars get a listing (1) Chaplin because of his influence on silent movies generally and comedy in particular (2) Sinatra because of his apparent influence on popular music (3) Brando because of his perceived influence on acting and actors (4) Monroe as historians feel she had a great influence on perceptions of what constitutes THE screen sex symbol.

               7 My mind often flip-flops not only about who all should be in the AFI Top 25 Legends lists but also on the order in which stars even within the those lists should be placed and in a separate post tomorrow I’ll give you my present thinking on the matter – just for fun because of course it’s open to widespread debate so hopefully only purists like Bruce and Steve will froth at the mouth over it!

            9. PHIL & STEVE

               My last post was meant for Phil so apologies to both of you for my addressing it to Steve. I know that the latter has been hinting that I should be consistent in using just one name when sending posts but I’m sure he didn’t mean that I should invariably use HIS name as recipient!

            10. Thanks for your response to my thoughts, Phil. I was going to answer your longer response to Bob about legends criteria from today, but there was no place to make a comment. I agree that there should be more criteria to decide. I wish they had done a top 100 list. It has always amazed me that Frank Sinatra was not on that list.

            11. HI PHIL

                As promised in my comments yesterday at 4.59 pm erroneously addressed to Steve I will today send you a 2nd post of my own perceptions of the 25 greatest male movie legends in the Classic Era though I’ve cheated a bit by giving a joint 25th place as I couldn’t split the two entries concerned.

                I have ranked the stars in the order of what I thought was their importance back in their OWN HEYDAYS though I realise that since then some reputations have historically enhanced whilst others may have receded

                I have tried to be as impartial as possible in listing my own idols and although I toyed with the idea of ranking the first 3 as joint no 1, I came off the fence as I honestly believe The Duke [up from 13th in the AFI male list] just shades the rest.

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            12. 1/John Wayne
                2/Charlie Chaplin
                3/Clark Gable
                4/Humphrey Bogart
                5/Cary Grant
                6/Bing Crosby
                7/James Stewart
                8/Gary Cooper
                9/Spencer Tracy
                10/Gregory Peck
                11/Marlon Brando
                12/Bob Hope
                13/James Cagney
                14/Tyrone Power
                15/Fred Astaire
                16/Charlton Heston
                17/Errol Flynn
                18/Frank Sinatra
                19/Douglas Fairbanks Senior
                20/Burt Lancaster
                21/Glenn Ford
                22/Rock Hudson
                23/Richard Widmark
                24/William Holden
                25/Laurence Olivier and Marx Bros jointly

            13. Hi Bob,

                Thanks for you follow-up responses and providing us with the BFI top 25 male classic stars list ;). It is certainly a thought-provoking and defensible list. You have been very bold in performing major surgery on the AFI list by taking out 9 of their legends – Gene Kelly, Kirk Douglas, Orson Wells, James Dean, Sidney Poitier, Robert Mitchum, Buster Keaton, Edward G Robinson, and most surprisingly, Henry Fonda) – replacing them with Bing Crosby, Bob Hope, Tyrone Power, Charlton Heston, Errol Flynn, Frank Sinatra, Douglas Fairbanks Sr, Glenn Ford, Rock Hudson and Richard Widmark), while drastically re-ordering the others.

                The list is interesting as I think it captures well, by and large, the relative popularity and box office success of these movie legends during their heydays, with a few possible exceptions: Widmark (as much as I like him as well and respect that he is your favorite actor) never enjoyed the popular success in the US and worldwide as these other stars – and in his peak years, Heston was not quite as big as most stars you have listed behind him, such as Frank Sinatra, Burt Lancaster and Rock Hudson.

                Rather than knit-pick at your list, I will offer my own, noting that while it is not superior to yours, it is quite different, perhaps because like the AFI, I have put more weight than you have on the critical success, influence and long-term significance to cinema of these legendary actors (I have not included the Marx Brothers because of relatively few films and trying to limit this list to individuals):

                1) James Stewart
                2) Humphrey Bogart
                3) Cary Grant
                4) John Wayne
                5) Marlon Brando
                6) Charlie Chaplin
                7) Gary Cooper
                8) Spencer Tracy
                9) Clark Gable
                10) Henry Fonda
                11) Fred Astaire
                12) James Cagney
                13) Gregory Peck
                14) Laurence Olivier
                15) Burt Lancaster
                16) Gene Kelly
                17) Kirk Douglas
                18) Robert Mitchum
                19) William Holden
                20) Sidney Poitier
                21) Richard Burton
                22) Charlton Heston
                23) Buster Keaton
                24) Douglas Fairbanks Sr
                25) Errol Flynn tied with Frank Sinatra 🙂

                Incidentally, we have both kept the AFI’s cut-off of considering only actors who had made their film debut by 1950 or earlier – however, it is a bit strange to consider, say Poitier, Hudson, and Heston as eligible classic stars, but not their contemporaries such as Jack Lemmon and Paul Newman. Perhaps a true list of classic stars should be open to any actor who became major stars by the early/mid 1960s, which is when I think Hollywood started moving in the modern era.

            14. 1 HI PHIL Whilst a few of your exclusions are disappointing to me at least all of my idols who are in the AFI list do well in yours too and the inclusion of Heston well pleases me.

                2 As I have already said reputations change and evolve over the years and one historian opined that because of subsequent hype Bogie became a bigger star after his death than when he was alive and the same could probably be said about Dean and maybe even Marilyn.

                3 Since AFI confined its lists to stars whose careers began in the classic era I based my own Top 25 purely on those parts of their careers that the actors had WITHIN the classic era considered to have ended in 1962.

                4 For example in the case of Mr Mumbles, in 1962 The Godfather and Last Tango etc hadn’t yet happened of course and I didn’t think he had made nearly enough movies between 1950 and 1962 to offset the momentum that the careers of the actors whom I had listed above him had gathered, each of those performers having been virtually a one-man production line under the classic era system with many classic movies in the bag.

                5 I will not give my reasons for ALL of my exclusions but Mitchum for example was left out because he played 2nd fiddle a lot to the likes of Loretta Young, Cary Grant, Kirk Douglas, Rita Hayworth and The Duke and aligned to that he was in an enormous number of very low grossing pictures as Bruce’s Mitchum stats chart shows.

                6 Kirk Douglas was excluded by me because he too made a large number of flops/low grossers and combined with that his overall Cogerson gross is poor relative to the large number of movies he made. $5.2 billion for over 70 movies with an average of just $73 million approx. Even my Dickie Widmark does better on average with fewer films AFI ranking Kirk above Burt always puzzled me because by any measure I can think of Lancaster was marginally the bigger star.CONTINUED IN 2nd POST

            15. 1 PHIL- CONTINUATION I agree with you about Jack Lemmon and Paul Newman and 15 years ago I saw a ranking list that combined male stars of all eras up to then. I can remember only the Top 5 and one more placing but for what it’s worth here they are in ranking order. (1) Paul Newman (2) Tom Hanks (3) James Stewart (4) Cary Grant (5) Marlon Brando and (10) Gary Cooper. Yet another list put Eastwood first with ole Mumbles 2nd.

                2 Also a large detailed volume was published by a group of historians ranking the INFLUENCE within their own spheres of people from numerous professions/ fields of activity and here in ranked order are those whom the historians concluded have been most influential performers in movies down the years- (1) Chaplin (2) Mary Pickford (3) John Wayne (4) Brando (5) DeNiro.

                3 Whilst it naturally pleases me that Mumbles seems to be a common denominator in most lists with only his ranking position altering [he is 2nd only to Nicholson at the moment in IMDB’s list of greatest all-time ACTORS] I was over the moon that a “serious” set of historians were at last giving The Duke the credit that I personally think he deserves, and to be honest I think that a lot more people would agree with me if it was not for the fact that Big John’s at times rather strident politics often comes out in his movies. I personally think the latter factor should be ignored just as I agreed that Bruce was right to ignore Trump’s poliitics but we are all only human.

                4 DeNiro is a kind of an unusual actor and a survey of world famous directors ranks him along with Chaplin and Mr Mumbles [in that order] as one of the 3 greatest actors of all time. However a problem with ranking modern actors is that in most cases their careers haven’t finished so it’s hard to fine-tune their rankings.

                5 Also our own knowledge expands over time as more information and facts come to light and had I been drawing up my own list say 10 years ago it would have been different in some parts but since then Bruce’s site with its wonderful feast of stats and other kinds of surveys has changed my personal perspective of many careers. Anyway as always lovely exchanging ideas with you.

            16. Hi Bob,
                You make many very interesting points, and it’s helpful to understand that you focused on the careers and star power of these actors only during the classic era. This makes a lot of sense given that the AFI list is supposed to represent legends of Hollywood’s classic period. In my case (and I think in the case of AFI as well), I considered not only the entire careers of the stars concerned, but their impact and recognition up to the present time. I think this explains much of our differences. Certainly, Brando would not be as high on my list, for example, if I had not considered The Godfather, Last Tango in Paris and Apocalypse Now.

                It’s also helpful to understand the rationale for some of your exclusions, namely with respect to Robert Mitchum and Kirk Douglas. It is true that, at no point, were they huge box office attractions as many others on the list. Just a couple of points though, Mitchum often received second billing behind other stars, but usually he was a close to equal co-star, not quite a second fiddle. In the same way, Widmark was third billed behind both Douglas and Mitchum in The Way West, but he was not a third fiddle, just third among three big co-stars. I think AFI may have placed Douglas slightly ahead of Lancaster because he was (an still is) alive at the time, and because of his iconic (read ‘legendary’) role as Spartacus. Overall, I think Lancaster had a few more great roles and outstanding performances than Douglas (and as you suggest, more box office hits), but he did not have a role quite as famous as Spartacus.

                Anyway, I won’t go into the details of why I consider Douglas, Mitchum and Fonda to be movie Giants, deserving to make any comprehensive lists of Hollywood greats. In terms of my exclusions, the only one your list that I think I should have found some space to include on mine is Tyrone Power, but I already had 26 stars on a top 25 list!

                It’s been wonderful having this exchange with you, and I like the fact that we can respectfully disagree on a few points ,while still enjoy a fruitful and educative conversation. At some stage, we could think about the AFI’s list of 25 female legends, though I am likely to lose any debate on that matter, being relatively less familiar with the careers of a number of great actresses.

            17. PHIL

                1 Just a brief word to thank you for further amplifying your own thoughts on the AFI male list and I think that there is now only one aspect that we haven’t explored that still puzzles me – why am I the only one to place Clark Gable so high with the exception of course of Bruce’s lists based purely on box office grosses? Clark was once called the King of Hollywood.

                2 Funny enough I too was thinking today that as you and I had for now anyway exhausted the AFI males debate it would be nice if we had a change of pace with an analysis of the AFI female list and with a woman to start the ball rolling.

                3 For me the obvious woman candidate is Flora with her vast knowledge and experience of the movies of the classic era and their stars. However if a man decided to undertake the exercise probably the best suited would be the Work Horse who not only like Flora has considerable knbowledge across the board on the subject but has in particular done write ups for his Cogerson pages on probably every female star who would be in contention to be listed.

                4 He is especially familiar with the achievements of Myrna Loy and whilst she did not make tthe AFI lists it would be intriguing to see if BRUCE would include Myrna in any list that he drew up. Indeed I would agree with him if he put Miss Loy in instead of say Sophia Loren, Ava Gardner or Lauren bacall.

2. Ps Blake in last post refer of course to b edwards

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3. Hi Steve computer down and am. On borrowed tablet. Sent u part one ty power yesterday will send part two when computer restored my w o c daughter away TIL sat yours ram 2

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   1. Bob, sorry to read your computer is down. I’ve replied to p.1 of your review, thanks for that. Hope things are back to normal for you soon. My next video is up and running. Spangler Arlington Brugh.

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   2. Hey Bob…..Being dependent on smart tech women that are in your life….you would never see me doing that….lol. Hope you get your computer up and running soon.

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      1. Unfortunately. My computer must go in for repairs and I’m not good on laptops and tablets. Also my draft posts and notes are on the desk computer so it could be midweek fore I catch up with u again. Also of course I have to give mo lens worth a chance to draw away from me again in the comments count. But I’ll still e njoy following comments etc on my borrowed tablet and hopefully watching Steve’s cowboy of the century video. Otherwise it’ll be a sad few days. Not just because of absence of desk computer but also because Bruce. Has ignored my Blake post though I. Am in good company as he has also overlooked a comprehensive post from flora. Anyway how can you knock a guy who actually has churned out thousands of comments and heads our commenters leaderboard so I hope u two have good weekend. Best wishes ram 2

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         1. Sorry about the computer woes Bob, these things happen. In the old days I used to get viruses infecting my computer all the time destroying all my work. But, knock on wood, it’s been ages since something like that has happened to me, and I make sure I back everything up at least once a month on various hard drives I have here. The important stuff I have backed up in triplicate on three portable shock proof drives, you can never be too careful.

            Cheer up in a few days you’ll be back to normal with a healthier computer. And I think this weeks expanded videos will include a couple of big favorites of yours. Lots to look forward to. 🙂

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            1. Interesting bout your triple backup system mo my brother. Keeps 2 copies of every song in his music collection and a friend of mine who is an intellectual at a university told my bro that his backup was in fact an ocd that represented a desire to live forever. Ram2

         2. Sorry to hear about your computer woes…..I like you do not like doing comments on anything besides my desktop computer. Your Blake comment has been responded to…..with a pretty detailed response…..it is becoming a full time job doing the comments. Good luck with the computer.

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         3. So sorry to hear that your computer must go for repairs. I rely on my desktop computer for so much and I would not be able to write on a tablet either with any accuracy. Steve’s Robert Taylor video is great. Thanks for pointing out to Bruce that he had missed our Blake Edwards posts and for the compliment to me.

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            1. I will have to check out Steve’s Robert Taylor page……I have since commented on your, Bob and Dan’s Blake Edwards comments…..good feedback as always.

            2. Hi Flora

               Still no word of my computer but thanks for your concern.

               I’m more than ever anxious for its return as I can’t wait to comment on Steve’s Greg video which I am sure has pleased you too. I find the tablet too cumbersome for doing the kind of response that I like to devote to Bruce and Steve’s videos and pages.

            3. You are falling so far behind….Steve’s videos, my pages……come on….we can’t wait forever…..lol.

4. Bob

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      1. Hey Steve….I am impressed….but can you spell Lensman?

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         1. Bruce, I was just aping Bob’s one word post. 🙂

            I know this looks like post padding but it isn’t really.

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            1. Definitely not.

   2. Hey Bob….just switched all the Robert Roy and Robert Roy. comments to bob…..so you are now right behind Steve when it comes to comments.

      Did you know you can spell Bob backwards….and forwards….I think they call that a “Thunderdome”.

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      1. Whoa Bob really is nipping at my heels now, I’d better start commenting more. 😉

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         1. Hi mo re yr 5.47 am post Friday overall there is no way I’ll ever catch you regarding input to these sites because on top o your prolific and witty commenting you also provide those entertaining videos for us every week ram2

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            1. My last post was to you as said I’m lousy typing on anything but desk computer I tried to take out Bruce and insert Steve but ended up with ruce

         2. Hey bob……your comment is fixed.

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         3. Hey Steve…..you and Bob are just competing to be the “first loser”…..that Cogerson guy has a pretty good lead on both of you…..lol.

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            1. Years ago on my then very active movie forum ‘post-padding’ was against the rules, members would post a couple of words or just a smiley in each thread to try and reach that upcoming post milestone quicker.

               These days with many of the original membership gone or banned (and some have since died), few members care or even look at their post total and I’m sure the moderators would welcome any comment no matter the size.

               That said… looking at my post total at the forum – nearly 16,000 comments, whoa! But I’ve been there since 2000.

            2. Re mr cogersons nearby post today at 9.06 am
               Don’t speak too soon for the wheels still in spin
               And the loser now will be later to win
               For the times they are a changing.

               As the present now will later be past
               The order is rapidly fadin
               And the first one now will later be last
               For the times they are a changin.

            3. Hey Bob Dylan….I like it.

            4. 16,000 comments on that forum page….pretty impressive….but only 2,000 here…..you need to get to work….there are a few pages you have not commented on…..I used to know those pages….but time has faded my memory of those…..I know there are some missing George Clooney comments that one did (thank you Way Back Machine) I will find and include.

               In the end….you my friend….have been very generous with your time …..it is greatly appreciated.

               Fond memory. So WoC, Cogerson and BERN1960 are out of the country…visiting BERN1960’s birth place and the place she grew up….Montreal. At one point we are visiting a place that Bruce Willis filmed The Whole Nine Yards……I mentioned to WoC….too bad we don’t know exactly where they filmed the scenes…..about 5 minutes later WoC shows me a picture of Bruce Willis at the location we were at. She had e-mailed you….a picture of where we were….you got out your The Whole Nine Yards DVD and photo machine you used….found the scene I was talking about and e-mailed WoC the answer to my query. Something I will never forget…..thanks for being there my friend.

5. 1 STEVE Your stats “fascination” albeit selective is duly noted and welcomed !! I mentioned recently that Cary Grant was the 2nd greatest male movie star ever according to the American Film Institute. We are I am sure both disappointed that Chuck is not on the AFI lists and I also would have been pleased to see other Top 10 favourites of mine such as Widmark, Laddie and Charlie Bill Stuart listed That Durbin and Day weren’t on the ladies’ list disappointed me too though it’s more understandable in Deanna’s case as she had a relatively short film career and there was no great variety in her movies.

   2 However the omission of Doris is a puzzle as it’s hard to see her not being recognised as one the great light entertainment Legends of the movies in the same league as Crosby, Hope, Astaire and Judy Garland though of course amazingly the first two of those were also excluded from the AFI lists. I would have had them there in place of for Example Edward G and Golden

   3 Even that ole Idols of Bob skinflint Work Horse lists my Doris 5th among the most successful female movie stars 1950-2010. No Split opinion between him and me there! and indeed his write-up justifying Doris’ inclusion is most incisive. Ironically though he and I do strongly disagree about him NOT including Bruce Willis-Moore in his top 25 Greatest Males list for the period concerned. You know me – Mr Impartiality!

   4 However I can take some consolation that 5 of my Top 10 idols were recognised by the IFA –Jimmy [3rd] Mumbles [4th] The Duke [13th] and Greg [12th] of the men and Joan 10th among women.

   4 Whilst I thought the Duke’s placing was far too low [I almost cried when I saw it] I was on the other hand well-satisfied with mumbles at 4th because the 3 men above him had all made about twice as many films or more as had he. However, I have been meaning for some time to ask you how many of your own idols that you would regard as being in your Top 10 made the AFI lists and apart from Chuck had you any major disappointments?

   5 Anyway hope you are having a good Easter Moses – it’s another one of your times of the year!

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